The Current Verdict Aug. 28th, 2008

Dont worry, I believe you I know what Assassin's Creed is vaguely about, and I can see why it comes under sci-fi. Sci-fi isnt the same as fantasy though. Otherwise it would be called fantasy xD fantasy is fiction, and so is Sci-fi. Both have different genres though, which makes them less similar.
But its still possible to incorporate them. You dont need time machines to do it with, you just need something natural, like a "rip in time and space" where you can travel to and fro. Same with a wormhole, another dimension, etc. If you make it time machine based, it seems to give the sci-fi dudes the upper hand, since they built them. I dunno, maybe its just me.

But that's my two cents for the hour.

Well, let's forget about the difference between the two for now, cause that's not getting us anywhere.

But here's what I'm thinking about it:

What if we were to start with a just fantasy game, and while people are starting out on that, we could be working on the sci-fi part?

Then we implement the sci-fi part, first as a random thing, then becoming a permanent rip in the universe (that they can go through), then as a huge part of the storyline.

It will make it a ton easier on us and especially on the people who will be doing the hardcore animation and programming.

who are the programmers anywho?

That sounds like a good idea, but Im no programmer. Unless you have any on you Renown0, I think we're gonna have to get searching for one. :3

Sounds like this sci-fantasy idea might go ahead, unless anyone has any objections...?
If not, we can start to talk about the races we could have in the world.

I swear to god if u put an elf in there im friggin leaving i do not want to even be part of a project that can't be more creative then that...

Ehm... I have one friend who can make 3D models with amazing detail.

So, want to help me start searching?

As for races... I'm not so sure. If we're trying to make this the best game evar, we should probably offer a huge variety. Like more than W.o.W., a lot more.

Unfortunately, Nebulous, that MIGHT include elves. I'm NOT saying it will. If they are, they might just be background NPCs and such if you feel that strongly.

I dont mind including different races. Heck, we could even make some up. But can we incorporate them over time, as the concept art is gonna be overwhelming. When the time comes round to it, we're gonna need more concept people.
Races...

Fantasy:
Human
Dwarf
Gnome
Orc
Goblin
Pixie/Fairy

Sci-Fi:
Human
Human Hybrid
Robot
Alien
Cyborg
Jedi xD or the equivalent


See? Six races each, and not an elf in sight. ^_^

Yes, but there are gnomes on that list... I hate gnomes...

Wanna replace knomes with cyclops?

Bladnoch wrote:I dont mind including different races. Heck, we could even make some up. But can we incorporate them over time, as the concept art is gonna be overwhelming. When the time comes round to it, we're gonna need more concept people.
Races...

Fantasy:
Human
Dwarf
Gnome
Orc
Goblin
Pixie/Fairy

Sci-Fi:
Human
Human Hybrid
Robot
Alien
Cyborg
Jedi xD or the equivalent


See? Six races each, and not an elf in sight. ^_^

I'm not really that keen on those ideas. First, what's wrong with the fantasy list... It would be close to blasphemy (to hardcore fantasy fans - we'd probably get "Where are the elves?!" from the first players) to not include elves in that kind of list. Also, these races are mostly overused (I'm not suggesting removing them, though), and we could do with more originality. As for my suggestion for the race list, I'd include some anthropomorphic animals (inb4furfag, etc.), like perhaps 2 races (my suggestion would be wolves and lizards). Goblins and orcs... not really a good idea if we're going with the FantasyVsSci-fi idea... who's ever seen those fight alongside the other races. Would make more sense to have half-orcs (as in D&D - Dungeons and Dragons for those unfamiliar...).
As for the sci-fi list... first, making Jedi as a race is ridiculous (no offense meant), since it'd be more like a class, and a ridiculously overpowered one to start with (I might go into detail with how to properly implement it as a class if asked about it, though). I take it you meant something like Yoda...? Anyways, also, I don't like the whole robot/cyborg thing. For a sci-fi player, I think it'd be better if players were allowed to buy "enhancements", thus effectively making themselves cyborgs without it being a race by its own.
To fill the gap, we could create various alien races.

My two cents for now.

You have a point
I sorta want elves in the races, as theyre popular and hardcore. People will like it, and what the players want is what the player should get.
But it would be good to make up races, but if we're gonna do that, it would be better to do it with all, instead of some (with the exception of humans). Still like the idea of cyborgs though ;D

Well uh, here's a bunch of mythical creatures and stuff we can use as races, or even as monsters. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_species_in_folklore_and_mythology
And what about vampires? A lot of people (including a bunch of my friends) are obsessed with Twilight so I think it would be a big hit, especially with girls.
And there can't be vampires without werewolves. Well, yes there can. But yeah. What about werewolves?
Or zombies? I like the zombie one xP

Uhm, also what if characters could use magic along with advanced technology? Like, coexisting.

If you need elves in your game then u just have no creativity or are too lazy to utilize it. Elves are one of the most if not the most common of Fantasy creatures. Seriously if you need them in your game then thats just plain lazy. You should easily be able to design your own race or individual idea. Stop mooching off of another writers idea and uses it as "your mmo". When you start borrowing ideas like that it ain't really yours anymore and it's not gonna attract much attention. If you want to be even comparable to WOW. your going to have to bring things to the table that WOW isn't able too. if your trying to do elves your just going to be another cop out and people won't even give you a second look. do you know how many supposed WOW killers there have been using the same races in WOW? and you know none of them have even come close to WOW yet. So before you try and make another cop out I'm warning you you're just going to pale in comparison if you try it.

Fine then, Ill agree not to use elves (if everyone else does) because it was once someone's bright idea that has now been taken out of their hands. But you have to admit, people do play games to be elves, so they are a popular race however much you dislike them.
I see it this way...we either make up our own creatures and include humans, or we take a handful from that wiki that maddy provided and include humans. Apperently races used already are overrated, and I suppose thats true to a point. If we wanna be different and unique, then these are the options, unless anyone has others...?

Oh, and vampires/werewolves rule. They would be great in the game, but they have been used before, so I dunno what anyone else would say to that.

I don't dislike elves. I never said i did. I said they werent' creative and they would help make the game common and people wouldn't be as interested towards it. We want a new game not another WOW. Anyway the werewulves r a fine idea u dont' see that in mmo's almost ever. It would be interesting to incorporate them, but it would help if you did other beast classes too. Maybe from the fantasy is side are all these creatures from the fantasy realm and on the sci-fi side you could do all the technologically advanced races of people. (humans, aliens, w.e floats ur fancy)